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Overzealous DNR Officer?

by Bowhuntin , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 12/21/2009 01:00 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Bowhuntin
Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND

Conduct of DNR officer raises serious questions

By: Jon Bedard, Lancaster, Minn.

 

The next morning, a couple of buddies and I went back and found the deer, which was lying in someone’s farm yard, maybe 100 feet from their house and about 150 feet from where I hit it. The deer was a large 10-point buck with a magnificent rack. I called the Sheriff’s Department and reported it. I asked if I could keep the deer and they said yes and that they would mail a permit. Then, someone called the Department of Natural Resources about the deer and they sent an agent from the Stephen, Minn. office.

This officer bragged about the 22 years in law enforcement. He came to my house and looked at the deer, which I had skinned out and hung. My buddy had removed the head and taken it to Strandquist, Minn. The officer checked the body of the deer and found crushed bones on one side of it. He found a hole in the leg where a broken bone had poked through and accused me of shooting the deer. So, I went to Strandquist and got the head and he went to where the deer was hit, about five miles from Drayton. He still found no evidence of the deer being shot.

He waited on a crossing about five miles west of Karlstad. When I arrived, he walked straight to my truck and took the head. He told me he was keeping the head with the spectacular rack and would not write a permit. But he told me I could have the meat.

If he believed I shot the deer, he should have kept the complete deer for evidence and written me a ticket. So my question is: Does the DNR collect trophy antlers, or did the DNR officer just steal my rack to sell for extra Christmas money?
Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by walleyefan1 on 12/21/2009 01:14 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
walleyefan1
Joined: 04/14/2009
Location: ND
The DNR just took your rack if they didnt charge you anything and you had a permit to take the deer.
Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by redeyes77 on 12/21/2009 01:25 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 05/08/2008
Location: ND
i would be calling some certain dnr officers supervisor and asking a few questions.
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Mr. Buckmaster on 12/21/2009 02:05 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 04/04/2004
Location: ND
Theft, pure and simple.  Sounds like someone was thinking his badge gave him a little more authority than he has.  I agree, I am willing to bet his supervisors would love to hear about this since they probably never even got a report from this officer and if he did file a report,  he probably omitted  the fact that he jacked the rack.  Fight this one, especially if you had a permit.  He overstepped his boundries.

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worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing


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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Mr. Buckmaster on 12/21/2009 02:05 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 04/04/2004
Location: ND

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and


degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is


worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing


to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a


miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so


by the exertions of better men than himself.


 


John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)

Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Allen on 12/21/2009 06:46 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Allen
Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND
Not theft, but also not very good public relations.

By the way, this is an article in the paper, not something that happened to Bowhuntin as one would judge by reading the subsequent posts.



First thing that crosses my mind is:  Why in the heck would anyone want to have roadkill mounted and displayed as a trophy?

Yes, I've seen the Center buck and it's deserved of being a displayed as a mount in Scheels to demonstrate what can be out on the prairie, but I would sure as heck never pay $XXX to have it in my home or office.
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by tearbear on 12/21/2009 08:03 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
tearbear
Joined: 11/12/2007
Location: ND
I would guess it was his way of keeping things honest.  If he thought it was questionable on how the deer was acquired I would guess he was in his right to confiscate the deer. You were able to keep the meat which was a plus. Many of these racks are used for education purposes and in some states auctioned off creating more funds for their game and fish divisions. If you could it would be interesting to see the damage to your vehicle. In most cases to kill a large buck there would be considerable damage which would validate what actually happened. Did you file an accident report when the accident happened? Even if things happened like you said I would believe the warden was within his right confiscating the rack. This also keeps everybody else honest. It's always cool having a large rack in your possesion, but like previously stated if you really didn't harvest it not much pride in mounting it any way other than a conversation piece. At least you know the big ones exist!
Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by IntroC on 12/21/2009 08:41 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND
I would certainly be making some phone calls.

Regarding the Center buck I without a doubt would display a rack like that in my home. I probably wouldn't head mount it but would definatley put the antlers on a plaque. If I had some excess money laying around I would head mount it. It would be a shame to take the rack of one of the largest bucks killed(by vehicle or rifle) in the state and throw it on a wood pile for the squirrels to chew on. JMO. No way Jose.
Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by stringerfull on 12/21/2009 09:15 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 06/27/2005
Location: ND
Allen Said:



First thing that crosses my mind is:  Why in the heck would anyone want to have roadkill mounted and displayed as a trophy?



Maybe this individual owned a bar, sports shop, bait shop (any business) and wanted the story of hitting a deer and the culprit on the wall?

 
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by archer on 12/21/2009 09:16 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 06/28/2002
Location: MN

Use your power of the press. Write a good, well documented editorial in the grand forks herald as to everything that took place. Call this a-hole out in public to explain why he did what he did. If the deer was still available for examination the officer knew darn well he could have viewed the wound for gun shot damage.

This officer clearly stole this set of antlers from you and I would fight this to the end based on pure principal alone.

We are asked as sportsman to be respectfull and to get along with our fellow sportsman and game officials. but isnt it ironic that those that our tax dollar and license fee's support can be 'often times' the biggest reason for bad blood and broken bridges. If in fact what you say is accurate, I would not let this go unresolved.

The fact that he allowed you to keep a portion of the deer that HE obviously did not want, but, kept the rack is pretty clear evidence he has a bad motive. If there was any evidence at all that you shot this deer you can bet he would have had the entire animal tested for gun shot wounds. Again, go get this guy and make sure he at-least has to justify his actions to somebody from above.
 
Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by KurtR on 12/21/2009 09:20 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 04/16/2007
Location: SD
if it was a 2x2 scrub would he of wanted the antlers ?  nope he would not the g&f do the same crap here.  you cant keep any road kill or dead deer you find on your land and they are suposed to come and get it.  bigger deer and they show right up little deer and you get a oh dont worry you can take the horns or just leave it.
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Tim Sandstrom on 12/21/2009 09:23 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
First off, I have to SERIOUSLY doubt they said "we'll mail you out a permit."  When I found a dead deer in my dad's coulee I was almost turned down by the NDGF for a permit.  I told my local warden where it was and he can decide if he thinks it died of natural causes (my guess midnight hunter...lots of problems in my area) or not.  In the end, he did give me a permit to keep the skull and antler but it was not a "comfortable" situation.  I may have added to that as I said, "If I shot this thing illegally you wouldn't be getting a phone call right now."  I guess I understand but my experience with this sort of thing raises a lot of doubt that the department would just "mail off a permit."

Second, are we getting the whole story?




 
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Wingmaster on 12/21/2009 09:34 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Allen Said:

First thing that crosses my mind is:  Why in the heck would anyone want to have roadkill mounted and displayed as a trophy?

Maybe just for respect of a fine animal.
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Tim Sandstrom on 12/21/2009 09:39 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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On that subject, yes, I would definitely want the horns...I mean antlers of a buck that cost me over $3,000 in damages.  If it was a smaller buck?  Might still want them but definitely would want them on a large animal.




 
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by Horsager on 12/21/2009 09:40 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND
Should be interresting to watch this play out, I hope we're allowed to follow the progress in the press through conclusion of this issue.
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Re: Overzealous DNR Officer?
by IntroC on 12/21/2009 09:41 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 01/12/2008
Location: ND
archer Said:

Use your power of the press. Write a good, well documented editorial in the grand forks herald as to everything that took place. Call this a-hole out in public to explain why he did what he did. If the deer was still available for examination the officer knew darn well he could have viewed the wound for gun shot damage.

This officer clearly stole this set of antlers from you and I would fight this to the end based on pure principal alone.

We are asked as sportsman to be respectfull and to get along with our fellow sportsman and game officials. but isnt it ironic that those that our tax dollar and license fee's support can be 'often times' the biggest reason for bad blood and broken bridges. If in fact what you say is accurate, I would not let this go unresolved.

The fact that he allowed you to keep a portion of the deer that HE obviously did not want, but, kept the rack is pretty clear evidence he has a bad motive. If there was any evidence at all that you shot this deer you can bet he would have had the entire animal tested for gun shot wounds. Again, go get this guy and make sure he at-least has to justify his actions to somebody from above.

This is a good idea. I would do this.
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